I was in an international billing processing class at the 2013 Phoenix Forum. The panelists were talking about back in the 1990’s European credit card companies had a vague described on what they will consider doing business with in cyberspace porn. Most would shy away from hardcore porn because they didn’t have a definition of it. So, once they described hardcore porn is when the cock is above the 45 degree angle of an erection. It was pretty much the standard in those days. Nowadays, I would say the norm of hardcore porn is when penetration is involved. Don’t you agree?